Tuesday, 4 March 2008

Transcript of David Kirby on Thimerosal in vaccines and Autism on Imus in the morning today

IMUS: Good morning Mr. Kirby. How are you?
DAVID: I'm good. It's been exactly 3 years ago when you and Deidre really started bringing this to the people's attention. Boy, talk about "Ground Hog Day". It just seems like we're beating the same issues all over again, without getting anywhere.
IMUS. I thought it was kind of amusing to me, after Senator McCain said what he said in Texas, which I'll ask you about in a second....to see my name in a couple of columns blaming me for influencing him. When I've never said anything of the kind. I've got my own suspicions, but, any way, what exactly did Sen. McCain say now?
DAVID: Sen. McCain said, after being asked a question in Texas by a woman referring to the big court case, which was just conceded, in which the government said that a girl's vaccine injury led to and resulted in an ultimate diagnosis of autism. She asked him about it and he, to just about everyone's surprise, said he believed there was strong evidence to implicate the vaccine ingredient called thimerosal, in the rise in the numbers of cases. He said the rise of cases is indisputable, meaning it's not just better diagnosis, we have more autism in America today then we had 10 or 15 years ago. He's trying to figure out what is going on. He recognizes there is a national emergency. It may not be the mercury in the vaccines, it may not be the vaccines at all, but, until we get to the bottom of this it's refreshing, to say the least, to hear a politician out their talking about what a lot of other people are talking about. At some point, if you want to get into some of the studies that are coming out, McCain, who's been blasted in the last 24 hours, taking more "incoming" that I've received in 5 years in just 24 hours. He is referring to actual studies that have been published by very top flight scientists, and, he has a very good medical and science staff. He would not have made this statement flippantly, and, it didn't come out of nowhere.I
IMUS: The next question: There is scientific evidence out there suggesting that there is a definitive link?
DAVID: There's lots of science evidence, when taken together might suggest a link. Or might suggest a mechanism. My position has always been that this has not been proven one way or the other. Yes, there is evidence to refute, there is more evidence everyday to support this theory. People who oppose it, think this is over, and, I think it would serve them well to take a minute or two, go back to Pubmed, look at the studies that did not appear in the NY Times or on ABC news. We get filtered information in this country, and, I frankly don't blame people for thinking that this is bunk, baloney, proven over and done with. Anyone who brings it up is crazy....because they have not been given access to the studies. The American people have not been given all the information they need. They need to go out and find it. It's there, look at the brain studies that people from Harvard and Johns Hopkins. They are presenting with oxidative stress, heavy metals and mercury in the brain. Look at the study in Child Neurology that went back and looked at a previous study...lo and behold...they found that children with autism do have higher levels of mercury in their blood. A mistake was made in the original calculations and some mitrochrondrial studies have just come out....continue to come out....which are very germane to this court case. It all starts to fall into place, and it is hard science. It is peer reviewed. People are willfully ignoring it, some of them, they know its out there and they won't look at it. Most of the people online who are saying that John McCain is crazy, Don Imus is crazy, David Kirby is crazy....have not bothered to read these studies. It's frustrating because you want to have a scientific discussion but you are talking to people who only have half the picture.IMUS: Talking with David Kirby here on the Imus program, in an effort to get the audience to kill themselves. The vaccine manufacturers claim they took thimerosal out of the vaccines when? Not the flu vaccines but most vaccines.
DAVID: The media reports that all mercury came out of all shots in 2001. Nothing could be further from the truth.
IMUS: What is the truth?
DAVID: Well, we don't know and the government won't tell us.
IMUS: Well, why don't the vaccine manufacturers tell us?
DAVID: They don't have to.
DAVID: They stopped making mercury containing vaccines right around the end of 2001. Now, this stuff goes and gets shipped into warehouses. Then it gets into the pipeline, that's when the expiration date is placed on it, the day it leaves the warehouse. They stocked up on mercury containing vaccines as they were transiting into the mercury free formula. For those years, 2000, 2001, 2002, 1003 and I'm quite certain into 2004, a lot of this stuff was still sitting on shelves. In the meantime, we started giving the flu shot to pregnant women and infant children, which still contains the full amount of mercury. We never hit zero, and now we're back up. If a women who gets the flu shot is pregnant, the fetus will be exposed to that. Then the child gets another flu shot at 6 months, 7 months and 18 months. With all the residual mercury in some of the other shots, the child is getting about 85 micrograms of mercury, total exposure. Which is, yes, much less than it used to be, but, we're not at zero. And again, the mitrochrondial disease, at least for a subset of these kids, given that they have that disease, they might be sensitive to any amount of mercury, or any toxin that could set them over the edge.
IMUS: Then, in these vaccines, whether the mercury is used as a preservative or not, a trace amount of mercury is used in all vaccines.
DAVID: That's correct. About 1/2 micrograms in most of the shots these kids are getting. That's very, very little, in and of itself. The point is, if you do have some type of allergic problem with this or you do have an inability to secret it, it will accumulate in your body. I think the evidence is pointing now, beyond just mercury, beyond just thimerosal. I believe there are several things in our environment that can trigger several different types of conditions and predisposition's that ultimately manifest in symptoms we diagnose as autism. Whether it truly is classic autism or not, you don't really care.
IMUS: What are they?
DAVID: It may be genetics, because of mitrochrondial health, in other words, cellular energy, because of a pre-exisitng autoimmune condition, allergic condition. Given any set of those conditions, and then getting any set of triggers, mercury in vaccines, the number and type of vaccine we're giving now, pollution in the air, pesticides, flame retardants or even just if a kid is set up for regression.....whatever gets there first, I'm talking hypothetically, but, whatever gets there first may set off the regression. In most cases in this country, that insult came in the form of a vaccine.
IMUS: You know what I never understood? They warn people particularly pregnant women, not to eat fish because of the extraordinary high levels of mercury they found in fish. In fact, the NY Times did a study, went around to sushi joints and they found an insane level of mercury in these various fish. It's my understanding the form of mercury in fish is not as lethal as the form of mercury in vaccines. So, what has never made sense to me, if they don't want you to eat a less lethal form of mercury in fish, they think it's okay or fine to inject any amount of mercury into the bloodstream of an infant. Just on a common sense level, sounds to me INSANE!
DAVID: Some people think it is. It's certainly contradictory, that the NY Times reported the ultra high levels of mercury in Tuna, which means environmental levels in general are going up. They reported New Jersey is trying to implement mandatory flu vaccines for kids going to school. Everyone should go online right now and look up the flu vaccine. Look up the product insert. It will say, and don't quote me exactly, something like "this product has not been studied in pregnant women. The reproductive effects are unknown. The impact on the fetus is unknown. this product is not indicated for pregnant women unless medically necessary".
IMUS: Now you are not saying, I know I'm not saying, that there is a definitive, drop dead link between autism and thimerosal in vaccines. What you're saying and what I'm saying is, at some point, we need to all reach a definitive scientific determination if, in fact that is the case. Is that what you're saying?
DAVID. Absolutely.
IMUS: Okay, so why do people characterize you and others, and me, though I'm less to the story than anyone else, my wife is a big part of the story and so are you....why are you all characterized as being crazy when you are not saying what they say you are saying?
DAVID: If you sat down and read only the studies the people seem to be reading...and you ignore the studies that people like me and Diedre read, you would come to the same conclusion....David Kirby is crazy, what is he talking about? People need to do their own homework. Listen, I think the biggest problem here is we're all operating in a vacuum. This court case that was just conceded is a confidential document. The government does not think we should be able to see it.
IMUS: Now, you're talking about the vaccine court?
DAVID: I'm talking about the vaccine court. Now the family that just won this settlement can go back to court and ask permission of the government to talk about what happened to their child.
IMUS; What did the vaccine court determine?
DAVID: They determined this child have an underlying microchrondrial disorder, which produces low cellular energy and was aggravated by her vaccines. She got 9 vaccines in 1 day. 5 shots....9 vaccines. Within months she regressed into autism. In fact, she was diagnosed with full-blown autism.
IMUS: Why haven't we read about that in the NY Times or seen it on NBC nightly news?DAVID: Well, the NY Times is not particularly interested in this story. There are reporters out there this week trying to cover it, but, until the family gets permission from government to speak, I'm not sure how much coverage it actually is going to get. You know, I love being on your show, but, I wish instead of me being here this morning, you have somebody from the HHS. Because what we basically have over there is a wall of silence. Why is it not okay to talk about this? Why is this confidential? Exactly whose interests are being protected if the family says it's perfectly okay to talk about this....and...the family wants to talk about it? Why is the government saying we can't talk about it? Those rules are in place to protect the privacy of the family, which has already been waived.
IMUS: We're out of time .....thank you Mr. Kirby;

Saturday, 1 March 2008

FINALLY - a politician with integrity speaks out on Mercury in vaccines. John McCain is the first Presidential candidate to publicly raise the issue.

In the run up to the US Presidential election there is inevitably a tension between honestly addressing controversial issues and remaining silent about them. Which way should they turn? Which way would get them the votes/the brickbats?

David Kirby forewarns John McCain what is likely to happen now that he has publicly mentioned the extraordinary rise of autism (and indeed related disorders) and, shock horror, even mentioned the association with the 49.6% Mercury containing preservative Thimerosal, in vaccines since 1930, introduced by Eli Lilly.

On the other hand, a US election is looming and intelligent voters cannot miss the devastating facts that our population is sicker than ever, more dangerous than ever, that we are riddled with autism and related disorders and that safety has taken second place to profit with the crucial boundaries between big corporations and Governments long gone.

If the voting public is made aware that something could have been interfering with our neurological and immune system development since 1930 and that something could have also altered our DNA, but all this has been hidden and spun out, then the brave presidential candidate in the US or prime minister candidate in the UK who dares to expose the issues will be the ultimate winner.

Its about time the biggest medical and social scandal in our history is getting talked about on a world stage.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/senator-mccain-watch-out_b_89318.html

Thursday, 28 February 2008

Common sense about the history of thimerosal vaccines - Anne Dachel

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From: Anne Dachel
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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: RE: Panel: All children should receive flu shots - ContraCostaTimes.com

Panel: All children should receive flu shotsContra Costa Times, CA
By Barbara Feder Ostrov


Dear Barbara,

I read your story about the new ACIP recommendation that all schoolchildren receive the flu vaccine annually because, as Dr. Roger Baxter says, epidemics "begin at school."

Any concerns parents might have about the risk from exposure to mercury in the flu vaccine is dismissed. We're told, "Some parents may be concerned about thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative present in some adult flu vaccines that long has been rumored to cause autism. However, Baxter said that the preservative is safe and that extensive scientific research has not found any link between thimerosal and autism."

Members of the autism community reading this would be quick to point out that it's wrong on several counts.

We're often told in the press that only "some parents" worry about exposing children to mercury in their vaccines. This implies that no one with scientific or medical credentials would feel the same way. This is totally false.

Do a search for Dr. Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky, Dr. Mady Hornig, Columbia University, Dr. Thomas Burbacher, University of Washington; Dr. Mark Geier, President of The Genetic Centers of America and David Geier, Vice President of The Institute of Chronic Illnesses, and Dr. Jill James, University of Arkansas. They are just a handful of the independent scientists whose work links vaccines to neurological damage in our children.

Research on vaccines can also be found on this link:
http://www.generationrescue.org/studies.html

The National Autism Association has said that while officials continue to claim that there is no science linking vaccines to autism, many peer-reviewed published studies confirm the link between vaccinations and neurological injuries.
http://www.national autismassociatio n.org/library. php )

We're talking about the second deadliest element on Earth and a known neurotoxin. I wonder how willing the pubic would accept the claim that it's safe to inject mercury into children if they knew about the history of thimerosal.

Thimerosal goes back 75 years. It was invented and tested Eli Lilly Pharmaceutical Company in 1930. The one study done on thimerosal was done by Eli Lilly on 22 adult patients suffering from meningitis. There was no chance for follow-up to observe long-term effects, as all of the patients died. Even if follow-up had been possible, damage to the developing brains of very young children would have remained an unknown. Eli Lilly said it was safe and the medical community just accepted it. After the creation of the FDA, its use was simply continued. This unconscionable oversight failure should call any safety claim into question.

In his book, Evidence of Harm, journalist David Kirby points out that "...many researchers had sent the company documents dating back to the 1930's, each raising a red flag about thimerosal." (EOH 207-209). Mr. Kirby chronologically lists over 70 years of scientific research on the damaging and deadly effects of thimerosal that was willfully ignored by Eli Lilly and the CDC.http://www.evidence ofharm.com/ Our CDC and FDA should be utterly embarrassed to make safety claims based on such a pathetic history of oversight.

In addition, back in 1991, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, one of the top vaccinologists in the world, wrote a memo to the president of Merck Pharmaceutical Co. warning about the high mercury levels children were receiving in their vaccines. That warning was ignored and mercury exposure was only increased with additional vaccines.
LA TIMES: PDF] '91 Memo Warned of Mercury in Shots

We are told that thimerosal in found in "some adult flu vaccines." That falsely implies that children aren't being exposed to mercury in their vaccines. Ninety percent of the vaccine available contains mercury. Good luck to parents who look for a mercury-free shot for children. Anyone three years and older gets 25 mcg. of mercury in their vaccines. According to the EPA, this much mercury is meant for someone weighing 550 pounds. Younger children get 12.5 mcg. of mercury that can be safely processed by someone weighing 275 pounds. Doctors give this vaccine to pregnant women at all stages of pregnancy and the massive mercury assault easily passes the placental barrier and enters the developing fetus.
This chart compares the vaccine schedules in 1983 and 2007. http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/cdc_comparison.pdf This dramatic increase in the number of vaccines directly coincided with the explosion in the autism rate from one in 10,000 in the 1970s to one in 150 today, along with a host of chronic illnesses among our children like asthma, diabetes, bowel disorders, ADHD, and others.
There has never been a study to determine the cumulative effect of so many additional vaccines on a developing baby.
We're talking about much more than mercury in these vaccines. Other toxic ingredients like aluminum, MSG, formaldehyde, ether, and anti-freeze are commonly found in vaccinations. There is also the debate over the safety of the MMR vaccine which has three live viruses.

Tuesday, February 12 this ad ran in USA Today: Green our vaccines. And administer them with greater care.
http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/080212.pdf It's a wakeup call on the need for safe vaccines. The ad ran again Feb. 27 in USA Today.

Dr. Baxtor further tells us, "The preservative is safe and that extensive scientific research has not found any link between thimerosal and autism." This incorrectly lets readers think that all the studies out there say mercury is safe and that's because we only get to hear about the CDC studies or ones financed by the drug industry.
Reporters usually go to the CDC for information on vaccines and autism. They will always say no research can find a link. What else would you expect? This is the agency that runs the vaccine program. They have for years promoted vaccines, especially mercury-containing vaccines, as safe. They have everything at stake in denying serious side effects. This is also the agency where hundreds of individuals have conflict of interest waivers because of money ties to the vaccine makers. Going to them to ask about a link to autism is like asking Phillip Morris if smoking is dangerous to our health. The media continues to give the CDC oversight over itself.
The CDC has endless studies that show no causal relationship between vaccines and autism. They never settle the issue however. If anyone actually looked, they'd discover that these are merely epidemiological studies, the kind produced by the tobacco industry in the 1940s and 50s to show no link between smoking and lung cancer.
This issue is the most heated controversy in medicine today and we need the press to present both sides in the debate. Many news sources are doing that. Here are some examples:
Immunizations: Progress or Poison
FOX 25 Oklahoma City OK

The incredible Combating Autism From Within series on KOMU-TV, Columbia, MO
http://www.komu.com/satellite/SatelliteRender/KOMU.com/b016a3b8-c0a8-2f11-0161-8d5496db95e8

Autism: To Vaccinate Or Not to Vaccinate CBS TV 4, FL
Parents Contest Mandatory Vaccinations WAPT, MS
Warned of disease risks, parents control kids vaccinesHouston Chronicle
Are Vaccinations Safe for Your Kids?Christian Broadcasting Network, VA AGE OF AUTISM gives us additional opinion by Dr. Rosen :DOC VS. DOC OVER FLU VACCINE IN NEW JERSEY
Atlanta TV Autism Controversy: The CDC Responds and THE CDC RESPONDS: LISTENING TO DR. WHARTON)
Most flu shots contain mercury, but few know itMilwaukee Journal Sentinel

Parents fight to give their autistic son a more-normal lifeOrlando Sentinel, FL

This is a subject that is getting increased national attention and deserves accurate and fair coverage. Nothing could be more important than the health of our children.

Anne McElroy Dachel
Chippewa Falls, WI USA
715-723-0913
amdachel@msn. com

Member of the board of A-CHAMP
http://www.a-champ.org

Media Editor: AGE OF AUTISM

Member:
National Autism Association (NAA)
http://www.nationalautismassociation.org
Generation Rescue
http://www.generationrescue.org/
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Monday, 25 February 2008

US Government concedes vaccine case

Looks like tapestry disorders might finally be making their debut and with it, Judges are seeing that there truly are connections between some vaccines, some of which contain Thimerosal, and some children.






http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/government-concedes-vacci_b_88323.html

Tuesday, 12 February 2008

USA Today - Are we poisoning our children ?

Due out in USA Today.

Compare figures for autism and vaccines given over 20 years ago with figures given today. Look at what the vaccines contain.

You CANNOT HAVE A GENETIC EPIDEMIC - so something has to have been happening within the environment. Make up your own minds whether it could be vaccines. Then contact your local politicians.

This is an international scandal.


http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/080212.pdf